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> the report of Lieutenant Colonel dated August 1s, 1947 concerning the
investigation conducted at the Muroc Flight Base,
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ents above
the flying disk and relating the &#39;
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otoverify
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."-v. Hamilton Field, California, all met in room at various times during»;
_a the afternoon and evening of July 31, 191;? and discussedthe flying disc
1I.
I}? as
story related by The ArmyIntelligence Officers, Captain
41 DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO -. .~l-I,
left 2:00
about A. If. the morning of August l,
&#39;..&#39;- l9£;? to return to Hamilton Field, California for fair Force Day in
a F5-25 and
i,

B-25
burned
an
exhaust
stack
which
inturn
caught
the
left
wing
afire,
the
A7
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The left engine on the
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wing
subsequently
breaking
off andtearing B-25 crashed,C
off thetail. The
killing Captain DAVIDSON
and Lieutenant BEOZIN.However, the Crew Chief and
I
1 a hitch-hiker parachuted to safety. Intelligence Officers at ;IcChord Field,
§ . Washirxgton advised there was no indication of any sabotage. The plane crashed
|
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Washington ap_nro;:imately A. IE. August 1, l9l+7.
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calls were received by a -
and the 11:30
Ta&#39;cr>ma,"-
between J-.."., July31, 1%?
5:30
and P. - ,, . =.u_-;ust
2, 191$. lhe first -call T-ELSa
to
;§¢-
, 11:30
approximately .3. 1.1., July 31, in which the caller stated that there was
a meeting taking place at that time in room
502 of the Tfinthrop Hotel concerning
h Y.. - Q the disc fragments found on Maury Island. The second call was received between
4: J-"..
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I3
1.1=o0A. rs. and 12=oonoon, August1, 191+?
by the in
-I- which the caller a
advised that at that moment big meeting was taking place
,_.
in number
room 502, Winthrop
Hotel; that the B-25whichcrashedwas
1.~-: T9,;
,&#39; , carrying disc fragments and that Field
I-EcChord officials had stated it was
shot down or sabotaged. The third call was received Friday, August l, 19A?
5:30 P.?i.bythe
at Tacoma,
inwhich
thecaller
stated
a
that the B-25 which crashed he so, aashington was carrying flying disc

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fragments
andthat
BP.0.7...TJ,
the
dead
officers
Intelligence
2 Officers
were
Captain
atHamilton
DAV1TI&#39;JEC
Field,
and A
Lieutenant
California.
Thiscall
wt- .1*;;"92__
Y &#39;-E0
was prior to the release of the dead officers&#39;
names by Army authorities and
-,-_.J the caller indicated names
th:..t when the were released, it would verify the
,.~ -»
.
.~ _q-.,
information he was furnishing was correct. The fourth phonecall was received
"&#39; at ar:;92roximately"5:h5
P. &#39;t., 1
Friday, August by the_ in
asirs- B--25
which C8-11the caller stated the was definitelrshfit downand that if he
¢°1&#39;1t5
-"&#39;-T
~¢&#39;°@d
Intelligence
- III, officers they wouldnot denyit. The fifth phone
-. -. ~
i92|_7; call v-es
reCeived
bythe T8-C9313,
at 5:33p__v_ 2
;_._,gu5t
,?. . 191+?at Whiflh time the caller J-25
stated the wasshot down from the air with
Z5.-_. 8 20 I11-HM
Cal -Flora;
that the Marine olane found recently on ?.&#39;t.
R.-J,in_ier
had also
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been
Shoig
down
and
th tqwould betaken
merning. .&#39;."hen
toBright
Field
Tuesday
the Armyauthorties releasedthe names of the deadIntelligence
&#39;
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j1fl¢@I"§_1&#39;~&#39;hich
verified the informationas givenby the anonymous caller, tit»;
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f- andcarried severalarticles
in
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the B-1&#39;3
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.5 the flying disc story and their actual part in the story. United Airlines pilot
states that on July 31, 19!-.7, both related their
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5! ? &#39; original flyig disc fragment story. Information gathered would indicate that
1 n%&#39;
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the anonymous
phonecalls
were possibly madeby _in order to build
J31.- ~up the flying disc story to the point where they could
salemake aprofitable
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of the
whichwo
story
d
to
fi
_-Chicago
tel
eni yp rove that
Illinois.
*1»:-zde these
facts
No
have
calls
been
however,
e
develo
from
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all
- /
&#39;1.
,,_. -facts and information
gathered,appears
it ishe
probably
the most
likely ti _.
f&#39; have
made the anonymous calls. The detailed interviews of the persons con c-
-- .1
- fr
ted regard tothis flying disc story
are_being_ set out.&#39;below._
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~l &#39; The following&#39;investigation
conducted
wasSpecial.-Agent
by
é ,6; 3".
.2 .
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E, &#39;~.;
"__ .1-. Tacoma, Yfashington
on August
es, :>,-
lam
1
in -j.
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¬Q§&#39; advised thatin the


ear part 0June, l?L.7he
was requested by
the Seattle
-r er to check
on astory which he was informed had been obtained
L.-. from the r-per wnshinzton.__Ihe_s.tory_uas_sup;.>osed to have l
.:;,: originated witf. _stated that the story__wasto the effect
..- ii
._e_ &#39;
that .-while patrolling in his boat near MauryIsland, saw five or six p
;_Q_. 1,. &#39;
flying discs," oneof whichfluttered towardthe ground andefinally disintegrated.
""&#39; &#39;
* """&#39; &#39;" " "
&#39;" " "" "" boat in
cansing some
damageki his
and
-dog. &#39;qstated
thatwent
he
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thesome ---%.-amt. ashinswn
<=h~=1<
to
E. . him this
on flying
disc story.
He stated
thatas
best he appeared
could
recall, this
A,:Ye
_ 2_- Y
it was Just a few days after the first
stories had
-_ and was on aSunday evening. He
flying disc
believed itwas
in the paper
the early part of
June. He
.1
.*&#39;;]
in
,
_.
.&#39;;¢*
i
e¥:_;
..._
stated that- took
disc story in low
him in the kitchen and proceeded to talk
muffled tones. He stated thst acted rather
about this flying
suspicious " _
-. __ . and
4,}. that shortly his wife came
into the kitchen and was in aconsiderable rage,
"e
d"1&#39;,
-£9.-.
.
s
.
_ telling
&#39; his admit that the snti story was aplain fantasy which he had
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cation
andbe inno
shouldway, anews
carried
as story
and
refused
to@11
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&#39;.F.
2i" any information regarding these repOI&#39;ts.
He further stated that he advised
ft- 1 Boise
the Statesnan shortly before, or at the time left Boise
&#39;92
/I
3 to come to Tacomato check on the flying dies eta;-lee 192_rj__i;.h_
3
3: _l.
J that-should not comeas the entire story wasa hoax
&#39;
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-.1 &#39; The following information was obtained from
,3 fa Deco.-na, Washington,
92
..{
J1-
1: 1 - _-.-&#39; paper
.- -- It was the TacomaTimes a
which first issued story
1 .1-7 "<- 2
on August and subsequentstories intimating that the B-25 which crashed at
,,. Kelso, Washingtonon the early mornin.g.ofAugust1, had beensabotagedor shot.
P"".. downbecauseof the fact that it carried flying disc fragments. »st-ated
that on Thursday, July 31, at approximately 11:30 A. H. he received an anorgrmous
5 phonecall in which the caller stated that_and ArmyIntelligence
. Kn
+1. officers were meeting in room 502 of the ffinthropHotel to check on the flying
_. disc story fromwhichfragments
wereobtainedonMauryIsland._sta.ted he
.76 , turned around to speak to his editor e
and when he picked hone e
920&#39;-.15. : line Hestated caller asked
thatthe for
-.4&#39;
"..
r -.&#39;_
1 whowas
out atthetime
ofthecall He
. stated
room 502 in the and
Jinthrop Hotel was ad vised
.;,.
I furnish no information as he was there a
on
..¢-. . mission. that on Frida* Au ust 1, between 11:00 A. H. and noo
hereceived
another
phone
callfor&in which caller
theanonymous
. F
:&#39;
,
1*. stated "that he might have saneinformationfor him. _asked the caller if
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he was not the same party that had called the previous date and he said yes.
caller
The a
then related that at that momentthere was big meeting in progress
-t»
:2.
..&#39;x.
s
"pr;
.,.
inTm,
morning
502,
intheWinthrop
Hotel;
that
thes-25
which
crashed
that -
Kelso was carrying flying disc fragments from California and that .
4- P
!!cChord Field officials had stated the plane was sabotaged or shot down. ,The
3&#39;;-4*
-I ;.E;
.;->4 a
caller then hung up after making some statement to the effect that he was &#39;
r,
-A 3?.
.E;_-r
-if
switchboard operator. .stated that he went to the Winthrop Hotel on Friday
&#39;3. about noon and found that there was no male operator on duty. He stated he then
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a August 19, 19¢?
9
i stating that
were the Inte igence officers that
Captain
were killed
DAVIDSON
the
in
and &#39; of
Lieutenant Btu.»
the B-25
~,- -11-

and
> that civilians and the sheriff had kept
been away from
crash
the wreckage with the
;. Anny guarding it. He
had not been released
stated the
yet by
anonymous caller
the Army and that this
then
would
said that
verify his
the names
statements.
: wstated
.sr1 ied that the
that the following
officers killed
&#39;U_____________
___ ___
______,_
morning,
were Captain
_ ___ _
Saturday, 2,
.- nigust
the Lrmy
DiVIDSON and Lieutenant BECAII
_ . . , _ _ .B ._
and two days laterverified tnat
they were army Intellig nee offic ers IIIIIIII
-_-92
stated that the anonymous
caller again later contacted .1ling
his b that
name, and at
this time
stated he did not call
15*
ti $01" the End denied calling
In this call the anonymous caller stated that, "Don &#39;t doing
m r
;;;">.=:
_ you." He then asked if the story had been put on the wire and v:hen_
.T-3}
J4. said yes, the caller stated, "We want this to
get back to New Jersey." The
as caller further stated that the B-25 was shot down by a 20 m.m. cannon
and that
1 the marine nlane which was recently found wrecked on the side of t. Rainier,
ul
tzving been missing
to nth-at
for several months, he} also been
he shouldget in touci. witha flyer
shot down. lhc caller
named -with
X ;-_
stated
ikited .-lirlhnes
over Montana.
who, he
The caller
stated, was with _92~&#39;h@I"1
then stated, "I&#39;ll see you Tuesday.
they Wire $11011 at
I&#39;m goin to
.1: JY
3
:&#39; .,.
Fan Francisco." stated that he had checked with of
United Airlines who denied
knowi any pilot by the name odenied
V; "W _
9|-It
<3. ever hav&#39;
C, I hi »&#39;
¢_- Th.
1; .,_-5 ins flown
over lontana. tated that
call in which the caller stated that ould
cceived another
be sent
7:
to l"ht
<~~-"
.-r;-:
-t anonymous
_71&#39;_;i=; ,
&#39;; _"ii*" Field on luesday and that °aturday one of the men who found fragments of the
fl" inc Qiscd was to be flo»n to Alaska bated hut in view
of tie fact
7?.=; } t h.trinformation
the as to the Intelligence officers on the B-25 had been as
1 Yr d
&#39;
@:rnishe
Y
by the anonymous caller, had subsequently been verified by the Army,
A _- ,1
I .-
the stor was released that the B-25 was carrying disc fragments returning to
Field, California and furnishing the inference that the plane had been
_w
,.--;&#39;.
.i_j
1
, Hamilton atedhome,
that
about 8:00
P. K. on Sundail August 3
1" ;
:_ 5| -
-gm 9
sabotaged
shotdown. stated he had not given
or this
any story out to the Post
;, ,- 1}. he contacted at
lntelligencer Seattle; stated that he had gotten a telegram to call anumber
¢ Seattle
in Eoiseat which
and whentime he called and found out it was the Boise Statesman, he had
:5 -re ,
hung up. He stated that the Boise Statesman then contacted him, at which tine
he admitted he had seen the disc fragnents, but that he did not
take any of 1
This
then. time _informed he
-that had beenwith_
if .."_! f
r- 9*"-r&#39;§
-J QPublic Relations Officer from LZcChordField, all afternoon until about
,j_ 3=1,5 P.->inr j that he hadtold the Army authorities every-
f_i;i , thing that he and knew about the flying disc fragments story from the
tine that left Boise, Idaho and he had left Seattle, Iuzhington.
,;,__
__
.,. ,-1-: _1
-n -J . &#39;
-
l This time that there weresome ofthe supposeddisc i&#39;r:.j&#39;92e
¢.?.92, a &#39;-.= .4}. l ..~-92... -92+ +1 , 1:; ..+92...-N-. n.~.+s1 am: +1 - had been ig1_
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_ August 191,7
19,
;-;-- nwould see
him
after
lunch.
nstatedthat
about
noon
_and
sfi
- if M"-*==" ~=d
c.-....awc.. him =+
...:. a. which
.. :Jn92lllHme
-_....- ..___.. tat-ed
exploring a gravel pit on Maury Island and found somestran e rock formations.
that he and
.. his son.. had been
_

Hestatedpicked upsome
they ofthese
samoles
and
that
hlater
sawthemandtheywentbackoverto I»-Iaury which timeadditional
islandat
thesesent
sampleswere obtainedand tl1at to a friend of his at--the
report
and
that
apparently
this
frienda newpapermao
had
asked tofind out 5
&#39;1 University of Chicago to have analyzed. They stated that they received a
-.» 1
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fir
I ,5
av;
where the rock formations were obtained. Qt-r1d-told
_t&#39;nat
.4 ._
3.e a
sometime after the first flying disc story had appeared, they received tele-
:3; _92&#39;g.~
gram from Press
Trans-Ocean from Chicago wanting inf ocnnation on the flying
.1 disc fragments. titted that theyhadat notimeindicated--the
. fa?
V-.
rockformationswerea part of a. flying disc andthat Captain and
J were not interested in the rock formationsand they denied
f"""n* g_-tiiving
themto
.._.
, ,_&#39;_"92. furnished =&#39;
cubstantial lr5 the same in ormation that tee obtained
&#39;" . fr0"1_
a
th regarding the anonymous
phonecalls whichhe had
it
|
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received. He stated further that the first
August 1, at around 5:30 P. 1!. At this time the caller stated that the B-25
call he received was on Friday, _
._,
~
<, 1-3-
which crashed at Kelso, Washington was carrying disc fragments and that the
.- two officers were
killed Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO!-I, officers with
Eff &#39;
_o_&#39;
Army A-_?Intelligence at Hamilton Field and that the fragments were top secret
&#39;a
3I. material. He stated the caller indicated that when the Array released the names
of .3:_? of the dead officers it would verify that the information he was furnishing was
.1-&#39;. correct. stated that the second call he received at approximately
6:A5 P. H. Friday, August l at which time the caller stated that the B-25 was
.__,-__|;_~
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definitelyshot
in char-_-;e
down andthatif hecontacted
wouldnot denyit. w%
ArmyIntelligence
A-2,the man
"tstedhethoughtthemansaidto con-* . -
j_- F-&#39; tact Colonel-
of Army Intelligence
had
- awe. i
been Kept
but it wasfoundout it wasColonel-
A-2. The caller
ad
from the cras h an th
further
t no ci vi liens ll
had
whowas in charge
stated that the Sheriff&#39;s
been allowed
Office
near

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i
anl that this
stated
time the caller
thethirdcallhereceived
stated
at 5:30
1".1-.:.,
that
-
ihzgust
2,
one of the men who had been rrinferring
withCaptain ml _ .&#39;.&#39;é1S
trlcento Eilasica
that day. Qhacaller
further stated that the B-25 was shot down from the air with a20 m.n1. cannon;
E that the Karine plane found recently on Lit. Rainier had also been shot down;
rf
.
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that Captain _v;ould
UnitedAirlines pilot by the nameof_flew
taken to .&#39;.-
Field
ri;*_ht
Tuesdaymorninr:and that a
with Captain~.:hen they
were shot at over I-Tontana. The caller stated for
he was leaving San Francisco
E - end would be back Tucsdoy. _
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Li -
<-;.
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&#39; On August 5, 191+ Special
? Agent
contacted in the resident agency office, Tacoma,W
sit? &#39;
at this" time asked 11"the Seattle Office was
of ~the B-25 and he was informed that no investigation was being conducted
by
the crash

2*. theSeattleOffice._at
&#39; 0
thistimerelatedin a rambling storythathef/;,
I
hadpickedup somestrangerock formations whichhe hadforwarded to a friend / ~
it
P_&#39;&-.
-<
of his in the University
of have
Chicago to analyzed and that later, in some
1-I
.1 ? &#39; these
mannerunknownto him, rock formations had been reported as being frag-
,.
&#39;1.. | , mentsof a flying disc. _ .
_.21- 1: &#39;.
P
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"9.
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the
viewed at
--" &#39;
OnAugust &#39;?,
191.re?
Tacomaresident agency office. Both
inter-V
&#39;
at first
. -,-&#39; denied aw "knowledge
of which
howthe rock formations they had picked up to
-E. i>
..
1. il7~_
..
P;-&#39;
III:5,
_ iii have alalvzed becameconnectedwith the flying disc stories. Both denied
makingamr statement to anyonethat these rock formations were portions of a
di from
fragment. It wasapparent of
the start the interview that.a.nd .
1
, , --11...
at
were nottelling
theircomplete
andtrueconnection
withthef]y@
n
-I» .._ ..__ disc story. They refused to give any definite information as to what they said
9 &#39;- or had done which caused them to becomeinvolved i1 a .¬&#39;lyihg
disc story, but A&#39
8 ave evasive answers
&#39; &#39;
I, ?§&#39;3 . and repeatedly stated that they had nothing to do with it
. !W92 and were -at a loss to understand howthey becameconnectedwith the flying disc
{&#39;1
&#39;7 story After considerablequestio of
they stated that in the early part
-N
lg -ti
J
pit ..-v
is-_~:.:, ,.
<
June/any
sent
to_>f bxglg-i Publishing
f-Davis
Company
which
publish
th$Fantasy
magazine
in Chicago
and$5;&#39;f:E5tiYi+ei.ieg5e1ne
iii Eviinstbn,
Illinois
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somerock formations which they found
had onMaury Island. They stated they
Q3 . later WI Ote and askedfor moresamples,advising he had failed to analyze
sent these formations, asking_to have themanalyzed. They stated that
AYC
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0.;
95;;
..._~em
Ff: the samples, stateJ..
~ they havenever sent any additional %ples
_.. . if waswhen
,d
1 1&#39;&#39;
he called *-and asked ifthe rock formation -J
could
and that the next they heard re arding the rock formations which they had sent
have comefrom a flying disc. remarkthat they possibly
e
stated he ma some
E
5; have
~ could comefrom a flying disc and that he immediately sat downand wrote
.
&#39;.. &#39;s a letter to- whichwasin the latter part of Junein whichhe stated
j.,_,__
. of a flying disc. claimed that he
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.
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th t ial could avebeenportions
. ,_._; ..
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an&#39;~v
e ma er
ld r thehone
scmething
about
being
inhisboat
when
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and in which they .&#39;~1r the


uni.tted
I OC;iformations had no connection with
enyflyingdiscsis beingforwarded
to theBureau
herewith.Thestatement76»
contains no information of value and therefore is not being set forth herein.

Q.
11" Regarding the meeting which was held in the Iiinthro Hotel
92 .
E onThursday,
July31, tatedthrttthey"-both
1 t&#39;*
.- there
about 1:00P.TI. They
stated
thattheyall left room about
3:00 P. ti. and that took to Berry&#39;s
.&#39;-.irport
at Tacomaand
£53.. flew his
plane to
y v
Seattle wherehe oicl-ced
up ,. YI ! Captain*
.stated tudt he pieueu up et 1-=erry&#39;s
airport about 5.&#39;
Eliit .
o
P.3.-E.
andthat to
came room
about
7:00 P.M. A
1%? stated that he and left about 8:30 P. n.&#39; L
when he drove ti.-to Se
to get his car and that went home at this time. stated they
returned about
11:30 P. LE. at which time the Army Intelligence officers. were
f- in room and that Left about midnight. He stated that he
returned
to_&#39;1"oom
Friday
afternoon
foraperox:|&#39;.mate]_y
one-half
hourA
__
JI?
from 2=3o to 3=0o P. $5., et which time and were still there and
,. neither seemedto be able to recall if -":us in room on F rida;r,
.I
-I August l. The best that could be obtained from and-es to whet
-""5? took place in_ room was to the effect that most of the tell: was
about
flying, that no one seemed very interested in the rock formations and that
they had no connection as far as they knew with any flying disc.
Stated that wanted to obtain pictures of the place wherethe 7:;
rock formations 1-wereobtained and that the Army Intelligence officers did not
/32.". appear to be interested in any manner whatever.
¢ .
_ Y
~ ru
. _ -_§
&#39; OP@I af»eS 1111 -
illwater Avenue Tacoma,
1 ashington and tas recently been ,.-
J
.&#39;{&#39;Y working
withhim,buying
timber. Theyhavealsobeenassociated
withthe drbor
i. ,3?-1 ratrol Association
at Tacoma,Washingtonwhich furnishes patrol and te11ee*fse-/I,
3. tection to oarts of the harbor area which are not patrolled by Tacoma
police h
JP Qher1ff&#39;s
officers. Tacoma, sshincton,
-8"
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_;.&#39;
Army serial number- During
presently holds a Reserve Officer&#39;s
thewarEswas
a pilio!
commission as a Captain.
and
it isbelieved
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_ Regarding the
B-25 which crashed, killine Captain DAVIDSON
.
:5;, andLieutenantseamof the tth dire Forces,C:J.ptain ;.~2
1&#39;-T-.r .92 in Officer, Hc Chord Field, advised that this investigation of the crash reflected
_,:.
1;&#39;1_
*
__,,-_;.
_r"&#39; . an exhaust stack had burned out on the left engine which in turn caught the
:-* <"
left wing afire and that when the left ting broke off, it also broke off the
jefllii
2
1.
tail. The plane at. the time of the crash was carrying Captain DAVIDSON,
1-&#39;5.
11*-&#39;
3-I_I*_ .
- !=-
-if £1
5?&#39;.
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¢ The following information was obtained by Special Agent
interview on August 12, 191+ ? withCaptain
I
1. United Airlines pilot: It should be
noted that
-"&#39;1 yreceived publicity for having supposedly seen
flying; discs or similar objects July
on 1+, last while on aroutine United Air-
.35.
.,., Jines flight
out of
Boise, Idaho
in company
with his
cmpilot
43
concerningincident.
this Captain
-vstates thatthey took
off from
i>oise,é7
Idaho at 3:12 F. YT. and headed
I-for-thwest at__3O0 degrees and -while still cli&#39;~ 1fT.n;;
F. - -| _ at 8,000 feet, co pil0t -called his attentior; to some objects in
the
sk ahead of them about ten degrees left which neither one could identify.
*states that hecalled
aCAAradio
operator at Ontario,
Cregon reques-
-and
ted hJ.m to step outside his shack
radio and see if he could see any of these
objects overhead. The CAA radio operator replied in the negative.
c
Captain tates that he first met on
es< .T&#39;-ly
in the
5 offices of the v.&#39;here both werebeing,
.1.
I. izterviewed concerning their sighting of fl_&#39;,&#39;i.ng
discs. -states thrt he
, -924=., next met about weeks
three ago in Boise, Idaho at -.-zhich time he,
._:~
1 was on another flir-"ht through Boise, Idaho and had a. ten minute lay-over there,
..r
, . . .&#39;92. n thisoccasion was in company
of Captain. .&#39;ILLIAI&#39;
and L}:fi:&#3
11 * e11 rr&#39; rs and&#39;a
._?»_~; Lieutenant
<£a
&#39;12;
._ j, _
IfFR;!.hEi
. .n.,army In eigenceoice y,
_

; next
&#39; contact with was on
ursriay,
.___
K: > uuiy" &#39;
31, l a s.trd"-en he received a tele p hone
.. call from callin" _/, from
. Taco .;a
&#39; the
in
join him
afternoon
early
as he was investigating
at which time he asked .to
a flying disc story
for
come overto Tacc-maand
someone back
.ast"
"=-J. and somefragrients were involved which liight intcrc;ste~ -
be in seei.ng.
>22! -
"
Tier some
&#39;
uis us1On ,rreed to
~-
_ .&#39;*
&#39; =&#39; &#39; in Tt;cr»: .?= and
_ -old

.;:,_..; 1:. »: L- 3 _-.


4. _he would fly overand pick
him up
at Boeing
j.i1-port at
b,:CO "J.
1*.
" .-&#39;net-at Boeing Field at about l4.:OO P.
M. andthey flew to Berry : Airport
gov
-,-. -_
. at Tacoma,
.&#39;-Iashington
they were
metwhere
by e of them
three
,.
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T1?
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pf
£.ugt1st{£
19
, 191, ?
A
u story
the in Tacoma. i! 1f02&#39;1 .&#39;.ed-n.t
th:&#39;-..
ti-.1ethat
after receivingthis letter he hadcalled_by telephonein Chicago
.- J.
of
as a result whichcall_had forwarded
him51200.00
expense money
L1
for coveringthe story. Shortly thereafter .1 at about 7:30
_ _ P. "._
*-"
*-
arrived at the Hotel roomand the discussion beganamongthe
four menpresent
o ,0 what had
as .
seenon iiaury Island; professedreluc-
a
tance to tell the story, claiming that several unfortunateincidentihai
occurred subsequentto his seeing the flying discs and he bclieved_the entire
incident had brought him bad luck. In this connection he stated &#39;tfour
n&#39;st
or
five days subsequentto his sighting the flying discs, a man called at his
u. of
homeand had a conversationwith him the course which_,was warnedto
s." forget all about everything he had seen on or near Iiaury Island. In addition
..&#39;a
.-
-.5 that,
to - stated that his sixteen year old sonhad run awayfrom home
1
.-s&#39;
- -..
92
following
LE A

theincidentandhad
&#39;
up
beenpicked
&#39;
by thepolicesomewhere
&#39;
in
On ana. fter somefurther dlSCL1SSlOn finally agreed to tell his story
iii:
of the flying disc incident in front
of _ fter eliciting a promise from
."¥

sf, .
.1
! that
benoted &#39;1&#39;-h
this point
previously toldhis
h-&#39;i.d
"It
he wouldnot discussthe matter for at least two wsens.
storyto8, ."-.t
which
related the incident which has already been descri"-:=c:1
and
should

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he alleged had taken place on or about June or 21 Ifhile relating the
J4
r 1 -in-.
z 2I .
- .&#39; incidentmientioned of
that he hadtakenpictures the flying disc vhioh
a
hehad
seen
butthattheprinted
films
were
marred
withwhite
spots.
&#39;-}h
Jf
.4-;»
hadconcluded
his
story,
Ehtedhadtoldthathehad
day o 1-IauryIsland to verify wh
gone the followin
him concerningthe fragments
.,. up
and had at this time picked several fragments and taker. them 1-:it nhim. At
»- "°§|- this time related of
that he also sawone the flying discshovering
I 92 over the Island but that it -haddies earedinto a cloud. .&#39;.l:en.r.-nd
1;:i .£ .-.
"--».- cad
finished story
tellingtheir atold group thathehade.-".1-lier
the in
*i*.
- that evening called Captain D.".VID5OI92T
and Lieutenant BRO-&#39;.i
ArmyIntelligence
u -,
t.J._ . they
officers and that were on their way to the Hotel room. At this point
.--v."
92 &#39;. f protested that he did not wish to tell story
his before anyone else and he
1. I ~.&#39;j&#39;
x < .92.,-
-.

&#39;;~.-
>_¢.92
~,
J,- |.&#39;-£1
.&#39;
.went
there
oe when
wasadvisedby:
they arived.
downstairs.rgeparted
if
that
then
a one. drove- left the
backtoroom
suchwasthe case1.-:h idn&#39;t
and
he just leave andnot
Boeing Fiel
1 &#39;
&#39;4 92
&#39;
&#39;. near Seattle 1&#39;."he&#39; up
desired to pick his ownpersonalcar, whichhe old.
I ;
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,
|
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.5}.
7";
"%P.O&#39;.i1-J
in room 502 $t
Theythen returned to the Hotel wherethe &#39;
_ excited, explainingto
metthem
foundCaptain
hat CaptainDAVIDSON
at
DAVIDSON
the doorand seem
and Lieutenant
had just drawna reproduction
>
.>"&#39;
.. of a freak disc which-had supposedlybeen seen
by a womanin Arizona and that
&#39;..r_ this dr.a&#39;.&#39;.&#39;ing
wasan e;<;-let
reproductionof the flying disc whichuni, had
<1? :
weeks
seen several before, nearing Mt. Rainier. states that srho tl yU "" ter
$5 |&#39;
r, -£".is
_sc-emed
very
cers.Before
anxious
thiswas
done,
story
totellisand=
had adiscussion
however, with
Lieutenan
totheoffi-
..r..:;;
-iii 2.
.". O..&#39;?!,
infonniinpg
himthat theyhadpromised not to releasethe stcryfor
.. ..,,--
v-
1_?..1
Weeks andthat if :-:ere allowedto tell the storv
_, at this t-T"e F" ~
...: , LJA<1.
&#39;
gr?
1&#39; &#39;
=_:-.nd,.F1&#39;»V.
must~agree
,&#39;!T30IT
not to for
release the story one month. Follo inn ti is
~-
Ll
$3,,
.;_&#39;.{<,&#39;
,.. ;;<
_I _ -related
a *reement &#39;* - of
andhisstory theflyingdiscs
over
P -§a11
1"?5?.&#39;>" i&#39;
!=&#39;-
rt
- I»&#39;si Z ~ -c 9- i
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Island to BI&#39;!¬
and""!*
DH-&#39;IDFTOT
Followirzg
. recitation,
this Lieutenant !&#39; 1&#39;iO&
-
92 J. ,-
in anster to a query from
_ SE1j. .;
that he uno Cnotain &#39;".".VIDSON
were of
-_92. opinion
the be
that there might sometruth in the currentflying disc stories,
but that their immediate superiors presumablyA-2 at Hamilton Field! did not
1* _
.2_ agree with them. then held a brief discussion as to whether
BIIUJN and D. .- ID.30N
$§ they should return that same night to Ilamilton Field and they decided that
they would. All fivc of the men then
a
detached himself from the group and entered
went
down
tothelobby
where E
2?-Rf.
I-I
phone booth to call for 2. ca
from IIcChordField. also left the groupand.&#39;.".<3t
anon: outside the p?"_:_=:92
booth 1.&#39;here
they held a short discussion relative to the credibility of-
J
,..
story. £{{o.n-I
indicatedto _that he shouldattemtto find
out if the story was on the level and that BIlO..lI would call him the following
day regarding this matter. group
The then proceeded to the front of the Hotel
l" _ .v at which time wrought his car to the front of the Hotel and took from
J.- his trunk a hox of the alleged flying up
disc fragments picked on Iziaury Island.
-7* ;
He offered them to BHOJN and DAVIDSON and when the Army car arrived from I.?cChord
r
.1" : Field the box of fragments was placed in the car with the officers.
wt
&#39;.&#39;
&#39;gw denarted
Q alone and _ --"in
went search of :o.=nethinr-&#39;
$4 to curt and later
-
Z-av. returned to the Hotel for the night.

OnFriday morning,Augustl, 19b7,-1-eceived a call


from informing himthat a B-25hadcrashed
duringthe nightandit wase
01;.-&#39;. believed to be the same lane which BROTJIand DAVIDSONwere flying. Fo owing
. --&#39;-&#39;_thiscall-and&came totheHotel
room
and
from
theroom
A
._, acain called 192-icChord
Field in an attemot to get infomation about the crash.
,.~» colt thephone
from tpoke
nd to a Colonel identifying
&#39;1&#39;
unself anC1.8.si&#39;;ing
if the B-25 which crashed was the only one which had taiiizn
.f.I-92 off from
..&#39;§T1
_
, ing this
If 1&#39; I-icChord
Field the previousnight. told his that it was. Follow-
previous
call mailed in Chicago and;informed him of the
5,]!
. night&#39;s
conversations and the fact that DAVIDSONand .&#39;3BO&#39;..&#39;TY
were believed
» - r.
4
5,
tohave
been killed. _told to discontinue his investigation of
the incident and that he, was no lonr-er interested. -then
took
rl

Q.
PT
.._-_,::-- the phone from -and
situation. was
asked if
unableto saywhatg
heucould
shedanylinht
replytonnes.
on
theFci
if
-_.,.. lowing
he
these
telephone
&#39;
ident
discussi0ns says
thathecalled whom C
at . Q.
L &#39;15"
I-=."
. Chicago
eifies as a personal friend of his and an
:3 8&#39;;-tatcs
that he hadpreviously
made
an a;_;1"eer.1£~nt
with in
4 _f=1 that
Omise
should he ever run across any flying disc stories which showecl
ii

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1 :3 0
92
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1,. " - August
19,191,7
"
- I
call. After returning to the Hotel room, called
e.-_-.4;
attemsting to gain information, but they
d .. give -erw. Later, e. Kr.
._._
as -
_.n
..
e but_refused
of the called and wke
to give out any information.
to imonthe telephone
further relates that while
A:
1 the. four men were in
the room at this time, an envelope was shoved under the
&#39;~.
.,,. door and that he retrieved it from the iloor. states that tho appearance
u of this envelopeseemed
to startle. considerablyandthat in fact,
0&#39;?- turned white as a sheet until- read the
note unsigned which was a commu-
&#39;- nication to the Hotel advising that a strike of Hotel employees was eminent and
1
I.
..i _
that guestsshouldnot expectroom
and&#39;
telephone
servicemuc
h lo nger . Shortly
&#39; 1
.n:_
after this identieft the Hotel room elfter promising, to
v
&#39;
take _to HenryIsland the following mOI nln-,Saturday!. _
i.;l at,-
&#39;.<.
-z
p and.-then
Q
wentout fordinner and on-theirreturn,
#! ou.nd anote in
the box requesting him to call a certain tele hone number. e did this from
e-
» ,1
"

I-sex.
1,.
the LotelI room and was answered by 1 _ "bnvho
W _ requested
_
»e
to go out andcall himfroma pay station. complained andwas
1

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1"»:.
,.
informed bpthet
two anonymous telephonecalls had beenreceived by
him that a discussion regarding flying discs had been taking place in room 502
P5_
at the Winthrop Hotel which involved JennyIr.tel1.ig,ence officers. From the
information w&#39;nic&#39;nii&#39;1ad
received,ii- was convincedthat the anonymous
.&#39; ¬
" caller must have been present at the discussion also, as.&#39;was seemingly
I-
in possessionof pertinent remarkswhich had beenmadein the room.
y
I
states th a t he did not give.n.ny further infomation
&#39;and th
t a in conclu-
A rv oion of the call, he returned to the Hotel room and he and_>retired for~
the night.
&#39;
»-- :j-_».
liq. !.
.a- -
ft __. morning,August2, 191+? redeiveda tele-
F-&#39;
Id... phone call 111 Chicago, but was unable to give him any
" further inf him, however, that he would call him baa"
>1
. -F"|_
7.; _ at 2:30 calledfroma coffeeshop
nearby
and
.-»-- an unknown man in the Coffee Shop for
.L.-_
.
1.->
P8rson was discussing
. somelumber business &#39;th-
"&#39;21
.
.1-&#39;»_
and
and
left afterbreakfast. Onleaving -thecoffee BhOp,.&$k8& about
I W21, thenegatives of the photographs which he claimed to have taken
o f th e flying
discs.said thenegatives were in theglove compartment of hiscar,by es
:5
KP ,-
a searchoftheinstant glove compartment was fruitless.The fourthen pr /
1-. r::_§ - ,_ ceededin-s car to the dockthere
-&#39; the y were to embark for Iiaury Island .
;».é The boat, however, could not be started and the trip was postponed until later
&#39;§:
" u -P in the day. &#39;"hile
at the dock, however, .aeked
to be shown the damage
;- - Z to the boat which had allegedly occurred when the fragments showered down on
&#39; :
Xi1;-
i
";§i .&#39;i.
_ Maury Island. pointcd ont 1&#39;:
hta may have been repairs to the windshield
Q}- ii1 &#39; th bt but mas not _
personally satisfied that these repairs
E .i.- rtI_
,,
l
&#39;-,
&#39;..
_.¥ is
L .
and lights on e ca ,i
-. were madeas a result of any such incident. then
&#39;
hand-back to the 1-Ictol at approximately lO:I+5 R. M. and.to1»d
drove
them
_.
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$-
if-k5;
. --I .
29?
er:
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g: ~august 19, 1947
1, :"_
9;
r -_§ Jinthrop Hotel. -ctated that the przrposeof this meeting wasto try to
,- W?
find outsomething more
the
about anonymous phone
calls whichhad told
~
him about,
He and still refused to give out any further information
regarding theThursday evening
conference toend were informed by-
that the nwas afraid of being
scooped the story andwas going
on
13
"h 4 to print something onthat
day. and _then returned to -h-1 hotel
51
&#39;
;**
lr and shortlythereafter receivedaphone cell from but the ca_llwas
-- cut off by the switchboard operatorsince it was notan
emergency ca-ll.
..&#39;
-Q
and then returned tothe Hotellobby vshere
theyfound
e. tele_¢jram"from
-_. -asu:|.ng them to call
him at either Broadway orProctor _is not
. _{*&#39; sure of the exchange..>alled this number, but x."as not there.
.3;, states that he went - Y"to
then the Hestern Unlon
T
&#39; egle ra hOffice and dispatched
1
_.1
acollecttelegram tomat the éwhich contained
a
iii- brief resume of the incidents &#39;.&#39;.hich
had occurred and which requested to
5"
n&#39;_"92-T wire _a telephone numberv:here could reached
be after 6:00 P. II.
states that he has never
received answer
an to that wire. Following
F.
this, states
of
lobby
that
the C&#39;l;nnpi.c
he and
{Total when
athatent<.red"and
he and _r:ere sittingofthe
gave thezr. each ct;
in
the
latest edition of the T£;.CO:!!=". Tiizeswhich contt
inecl :.; story llinting; an "+1
sabot
,.
in the crash of the Army B 5 which killed Captain D. .VID3CI=T and Lieutenant BIC 1.".
,-.11 e.
*-I - 1/
_v
6.
stated thathe and
most of
continued
the afternoon
to
occupy
inasmuch as
they were unable to
seats inthe Hotel
receive calls in the
lobby
Patel.
."&#39;5 room due to the Hotel employees strike. he
relates that he received acall
..r
92
in the late afternoon from _advising; him to call th&#39;t evening at
" -:30 as-had further information regardingthe anonymous
calls. also
7gm.
1-.~ceive&#39;d
ct¬.-l ::_"jra.&#39;n
requesting thathe ca1_&#39;L uhic n he did ".*.:.r7 founi
-Iii";
u._=.t
&#39;;:as_Of
further it the He thereafter,
infon.1ationia.t
this tine.
However, refund
ts give goalie
shortly any
r
_--&#39;§_ from Boise and advised_that the Army hadreleased astory through Prigarlier
92 AI92 Ceneral 5I&#39;IPJ1I.§
revealing the confidential assignment which BRO F3. and TLVIDSCI-I

.<- £&#39;.:.d
engaged
been on.
In viewof this release, requested to an;-:&#3
one question for him which was, "L-. ere they carrying any alleged disc fragments
i92.
1
Fr. J- on theplane?" and
answered, "Yes, they were."I- ollovn&#39;.ng this
ca} led as per his earlier request and was infomed that "f the
E
-M.
-21.
.. ..-41
had received another anonymous phone cell at which time the v: ice"
s-i &#39;1
th tthe 5.;nr:y B-25 carrying Captain _"..&#39;. ID3CI"I
Lieutenant
and 2?.C had
-_-
1;» - been sh L do=.-in with 20 ..""...&#39;n.
shells and that the Ifazrine plane found oz; "t.
Iaxinier had also been shot down with 20 m.m.
shells. The voice we to
on Cihtr
45. that _w;oulc1 be called back to liright Field on Tuesday. Then
.. --Vi
1.1.
ff?-
11>
&#39;
;.-:-. &#39;.:.=l-Zedhewhy
vzas piving out this information the caller replied that it
J ...92"&#39; not for the benefit of the newspapers, but that he was interested seeing es
in
H -C-i that the information got back to ew Jersey. The voice also informed
. -1.
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for Alaska.

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! unable
to locate yphone and left saying that .~.ewould
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find where
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and he
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and that they would go out to Maury Island at that time. After eft,
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nameof P-{ajor Public Relations Officer at _dField
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with ishich
lime
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returned to the Hotel for the night.
any
_£&#39;m1rt
information,
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On Sundaymorning,August3, 191$? at the
Hotel roomandtold themthat he hadreceiveda. letter from which said
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in effect "Take care of my business. be out of town for three or four
I&#39;ll
days." had show it to or-
a letterwithhimbuthedidnot
<- Thethreementhendroveto_secretary s in SouthTacoma
house and
.1. picked her up and the four of them then went to breakfast on the South Tacen;
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jfnile the of the.-nthen went to breakfast excused Eimseli"
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an appoint.";1er~t
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to the Hotel. eyasked
himif hewas
going
totakethem
tonaury the 7
island
day and he replied that he was not. He further stated that {.8 was sick of the
r. it _ entire business and that if he was ever contacted by the Anny or the authori"ins
Es i = he was going to deny ever having seen anything and claim to be "the biggest liar
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the entire story of the incidents which
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entirestoryof wat hadoccurred.did so. iiajor after looj-zing
at the fragments .&#39;;hlCh
were still in the room suggested that they drive out U-.2
s would
the Smelter near Tacoma as he believed the slag at the Smelter oe_.r a
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to the fragments.&#39;hIlc&#39;
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than rct92.1rncd
to the -hotelroomand
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IE irport where his pl ne was oar./ed and t ien
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andwhichwaswrittenby f0llo.:iu;§
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all of his information in the hands of the jrstated that a couple
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advises that on Friday, August 8, 19147, heappeared before I-awyer_
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the facts relating
to the incidents in Tacoma from
Thursday afternoon, July 31, last until Sunday
:5; morning, August 3, last.
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the writer &#39;
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the writer above
rl and any
setting out of this deposition in this communication would
be superfluous-
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M Portland, San Francisco and Chicago Offices for their information only.
Unless
_" advised bythe Bureau to the contrary, instant investigation is considered closed
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the Bureau, Captain?
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at Hc hord Field had received atelephone call from an individual at Army Air pI
3- . -km- -&#39; Forces Headquarters
at liashington, D. C.,
during which call
the Public Relations
v
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be
could
requested
was obtain tosigned
published and thus publicly
a statement
fI Om "hi¢h
close the matter. Captain further
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in matter and that he did
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not handle it.
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wasthathethoug
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be a good idea for me to some téc &#39;i a_£mq_and
listen to the
Q : b7C story or
This ahead
two men whose names we;-e
met two times previous - once on 3&#39;uly
at the office or the P.I. in Seattle tor a very brief time and the
-rgam second time in Boise, Idaho whenI was passing through on one or
inf.- hi? trips,
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In this conversation with.v0n I
the phone, made tl
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that he fly over from Tacoma "d-ick me up at Boeing Field
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Airport. cedu attheairortlad who
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"5! 100 feet in diameter, circular in shape, and it appeared that
.-j-_:_ there was a hole in the center of each as he could see the sky
12., through this hole. He also mentioned that on the inside of the
er circle or the hole, that portholes were visible. Their speed was
I negligible
astheyappeared overa given
to hover egot. One
or
1 these objects appeared to be in trouble. o
Another Ject came
"is
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over and appeared make contact. Atter making this contact tor
&#39;
approximately two minutes, itrose to its original position.
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7; At this time the object that appeared to be in trouble
seemed to throw a lot of debris tron one oi the port-holes. These
;,. objects then disappeared tron view. Sc me ot this debris that
landed broke in the wheelhouee or the boat, the spotlight, and
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thisdebris my
wasfalling, boyandHr.Q
got off the boat and hid under some logs. This debris that e
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killed our dog and a sea gull.
I ashed Hr. _whnt was done wit.
r:._ the dog. Be made the statement they threw the dog into the water.
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i went out
This
to
story was
this Island
toldtoMr.Q
to check on this s cry.
who
thenextday
He verified the
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to the boat,also to the tact that thereappear
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state d that
or
2 iecesof eitherrock metalonthe_shore.
Hr
while over
he was there investigating on
Maury Island, he also saw a disk. This disk was or the same shape
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. and contour as the objects explained by rir. .
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he was investigating this story. Mr. stated tah t h e receiu-&#39;
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a rrom
aiir.Hnois.
Evanstcn, Ill The g st of this letter was that 2.-Ir.
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ved letter from Mr. land lira a
also
Ir}; 1 or these fragments that were found on iiaury island. iii .
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,1-4 alsc made the statement in the letter that the Chicago
varsity failed e es
to analyze tn . fra ents and that would an-. I
61": - please investigate the story. Mr . was sent_awestern
Union
1;?
_ check for $290.90 to take care 9! any Bree-H86 that he mieht 141011;
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made a telephone call to Hamilton Field
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at Hamilton Field,
asking them would the" make
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back
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the hotel room. lir._
had picks
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departed.
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At this time I mde the statement to Mr. that I
fa ~;;-_._ should like
to pick
up nu car in Seattle. Hr. drove me to
Q? i . &#39;
&#39;11. Boeing field, Seattle. After leaving me at Boa ng Field, he drove
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put my car in the garage at Tacoma wen
up to the Winthrop Hotel
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Hr.
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.3} b ?C Davidsonfrom ArmyIntelligence. LieutenantBrownwasdownstairs
getting sandwiches and coffee. when Lieut. Brown came back, the
,1. stories were again related and Lieut. Brown mane a statement that
all the facts of these es would be hold
in strictest confiden:
until released by Mr
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he asked for the
opinion
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R I 1* of both officers as to whet they thought. Lieut. Brown made the
n r b I _ statement that he would like to obtain some of these fragments to
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tact that the two men in the ship were oapt. Davidson and Lieut.
4 -&#39;2;
Brown, plus a flight engineer and a hitch-hiker. This left both
xi Hr. _and myself a very bad state of concern. Approximate
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ly anhour
the hotel
laterMr.
room.
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I still wasn&#39;t
and
sure that this was the same B-25
in
Mr. madetheirappearan
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if I e two Intelligence officers had lett in last night. Mr.
? .-
then again called licChord Field and talked to a Colonel
n
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Davidson and Brown. _
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1+ ,- is hotel room with a plan in mind of the four of us meeting the neit-
haw9% ; morning Saturday! for breakfast and going out to Maury Island.
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t this particular telephone number that was on the message. I calla
gr&#39;- this number and was asked by the art to please call them from a
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p i Thisartywas
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me certainly
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hasbeenoalli
story but I thoughtyououghtto knowthat somebody
NE:. _ this paper and giving us a blow-by-blow description of all that-.ha
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15*-v1| taken "place in your room since you arrived." To verity this, Hr.
:7:~ i repeated back to me discussions that I felt had only been
taking place in our room.
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_n.. - lir._also made the statement that there was e leak
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_,_ _. ;@;.* I asked tippisngu
Hr.Qwhy hewas oft with this information.
Hemadethe sta amentthat__he_
didnztminddoingthis iilinhreturn
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that iii
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told-Hr. what
with 1%
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took place on e
Itelephone.
went back toour
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break1&#39;ast- Sir.
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to
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if I wouldcall
him at
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I16. anonymous caller had again called a" i1r. o the
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., this and said that one of theparties that Mrband
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downsee
to was
flown
to
Alaska.Also
he made sta
the
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be
qould called to Wright Field Tuesday. This
anonymous cal er made the statement to Hr. -that this B-25
r.
vr. was shot
down. Mr. asked this person
calling what his
interest was. This anonymous made
caller astatement -"Don&#39;t thi
I an Anlnn Qt fnn hhn nawnnannrn_ A11 Tam intnvnnhn In In snail
-.-at &#39; -
that this !.nformation_gets back,to New Jersey."
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After I finished the
conversation with
thug I wen
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read back
the
to me
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the conversations
talked
that he
with
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to me at the Winthrop Hotel at 11 o&#39;clo
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on_Tacoma
him by me. We
Elghway where thisWinthrop
then drove back tthe
complete storywhere
Hotel
was
related
Major
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l e Mr. introduced to
Mr. by me and again listened to
l
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story. Hr.approximately
afternoon at
n ep dI darted
4:30.
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if . The "Tacoma News Tribune" and through them toe United Press put out astory that
the plane was carrying parts of adisc which
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MET to determine whether or not the particles have
could been originally a
part of aliner in asmoke stack or some other part of the steam engine. These
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atrain or locomotive. Measurements cf the four pieces examined revealed
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-1,. C. Clark, 1ooe1§:heriff-of LRLSO, Q53 , thnt tho soono of the orooh who
fk.
in fiftoon 5! to tvonty EU! niloe 013$. of ZELSCin the vioinity of OGJLE
35 CREIH. The KRLSO Chief of olioo an airornft fly low ovtr tho town,
IM-&#39;
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L. aircraft knoyn to be in tho vicinity r ovoolod that had
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J it1 The belie! that the crash was that or the unreported o+25. lhc Passenger,
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ff:
. _v th° 07¢? "hilt. T/33%. W. U. HLTHHW3, nae
at a fern house near the scene of
{J the crash and eas injured. "Sgt. IL?! then led an ambulance to Sgt. HATEEKB
~11 &#39; who ens subsequently taken to alocal hospital. 0610
At ?3T an attempt
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however, it
would notify Sq. B.
was known that HAHILIOH AFS wasaware of the incident
At 070a PST Capt. LITTRELL departed in e C-45
for
and
,.. KHLSO. At 0746 PST Sq Bres contacted by phone and given a flush report.
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At 0905 PST CAPT LITTPELL phoned and informed that he hnd placed CLP?AIH
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charge
in of Army personnel proceeding
search was necessary as
to the scene of the crash.
civilians in the knew
area tho exact
G? location or the crash and had reported finding one ! body in the wreckage.
CAPT. LJTTRELL prepared to fly Sgt&#39;sTAP? and ¥ATH3n3 to HCGHOR9 FIELD
7&#39; for nedionl attention, arriving at 0945 P37. The survivors stated that
they believed neither the pilot nor cc-pilot has pereohuted Iron the
5 plane. The osuse of the incident was at this time determined to be a fire
_"-is in the left engine. CAPT *gTTR2LL
was infcrneo ey 5;t. IAFF that he
believed classified documents had boon aboard the plane; C$FT F3?3BLEG
F2
5 was instructed to take necessary precautions. An ambulance moi tic plane
.3- 3 at HCCHQBDF1¬LD carrying the two survivors and took than to the hospital.
$1 Inteagpgstion revealed that the left engine had caught fire inthe power
4
section and flcmcs and smoke had spread to the flight deck almost inmedq
lately. The ore: chief, KAIHEGS, assisted TA?F in attaching his chest
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pac; and TLHF abandonedthe plane at an estimated altitude of 10,300 ft
this fact is doubted but ls not considered necessarily relevant}.
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nsr¢:1o helped tho pilot and cc-pilot attach their cheat packs all per-
sennel had been nearing the harness! and as he left the plane one annrc that
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to th92 beet recollection
to follow. The pilot
of PATBERS,was partially
had started
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proper energenoy procedures had been performed but that the flares had en-
_,. veloped the entire left side almost iancdiately. TiPF stated that, because
U
. of the full noon and good visibility, he sow UATHEKSleave the plane and
ens able to follow the plane to the ground and that he sow no one else
bail cut. The ship ens enveloped in flazce and roe beginning to fell apart
- as
before hitting the ground snore itexploded and burned about one ! mile
~
from where he, IAFF, landed. e lit in atree, and not knowing how to
release his parachute of
the quick-detachable kind, cut himself loose from
the harness with his pocket knife. he kicked and struggled and eventually
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jumped to the ground, receiving ajolt on impact but as unable to guess
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! miles to a fern house, arriving erter HATHRRS. Ecanuhile, as NATSHBS
cleared the plenu he turned and see the plane strike the ground, explode
and burn. Just before or just at the tine of impact he sew an object
atire thrown of
clear the plane but did not know whether it was nperson
. or pert of the plene. HAIHLAS also lit in a tree, and after freeing himself
from his harness, fell to the ground where he injured his back. e lost
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consciousness and on recovering went to the burning plane, about fifty
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a house and
_arouled the oooupente. 3ccn iA?F arrived at the samehouse end, being un-
-injured. wee driven into town. Then he led an ambulance to effect treneporte
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the crush where they found one body. At 0930 PST, e nelaage from Sq 8
informed that top accret materiel ace in the nevigetcre kit and to requeet
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Commandingfficcr BAQILTOE
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The ground party determined upon arrival
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the Belief that tho cc pilot was efirc then Be left the plane an instant
1. before impact. The pilot : romaine were found in the wreckage. Pre-
lininery inveetigeticn by CAP? FQRSBERGdieclceed the plenee lert wing

1:? about one hundredtwenty-five 25! yards from the widely eonttored port-

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2. abandoned the plane. The resulting spin thue prevented the remaining
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.-:51~ hatch. _1 few civilians were in the area when CAPT FORSBERGarrived
YE
4-*- and he took precaution: to prevent then from disturbing the nrcckege.
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I ever saw before they did not pas:

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the head end in an oval shape. with a bright tob surface.
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I ever saw. lest vein
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seen a flying
inLos Angeles indicatingthathehad
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RE: FLYING DISCS

Dear Sir:
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Refer .e
Pho nix letter to Bureau, dat ed September9, 19I.?,- M
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OnJune 14I"*OSI represent-st-ive
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92.

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from
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194?,andnotVSeptc 1910.

Pursuant to your request, you ere granted authority to furnish the e


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Background
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191.7; was Jointly interviewed by Special
Age;-1t*|
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Bureau
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!gent!
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A-2 represen
was to secure from
57C
Hr. &infor-mation
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ofeflyingdisc,
which had been
sighted
and photographed by Rhodes.

"The complete results of the interview and subsequent events are contained
in the attached memorandum submitted by the Phoenix Office.

llr._ OSI representative atPhoenix, Arizona,


has requested
the Phoenix Office to furnish him
complete facts relating to this interview, which
are to be subsequently forwarded to the $1 Office at San Francisco. According to
g Hr._ referredabove,
to been
has questioned
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matterb7
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MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION CONCERNING -

For the Breau&#39;s information, several citizens in the community of


_.-&#39; is Alexandria, Louisiana, have recently reportedly seen flying discs. The Alexan-
dria, Louisiana daily paper has carried numerous articles concerning this.

At arecent meeting of the Young


Hens Bsiness Club in Alexandria,
amember suggested that Alexandria,
since Louisiana is known as aconvention city,
the club should try promoting a convention of flying saucer sears. particu-
This
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Hens Bsiness Club, advised

large number
Special Agent
of requests
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parts of the United States. l£r. states
convention
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that the interest of


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is evidenced by their inquiries about convention particulars, stating they are


flying saucer seers and want to attend such a convention.

gentleman
"This further advised that in view of the volume of inquiries
.: coming in, it appears that the YHBCwill
have to hire an employee to handle all
-: 1 the correspondence. Itmight be noted that he advised arepresentative of the
Air Force from Barksdale Field, Louisiana, has inquired as to plans of a flying
saucer conventio, stating that they are interested in furnishing an observer if
such aconvention were held. -I

This information is being furnished the Bureau, as it is possible such


an enterprise may cause people to falsify that they have seen flying discs or fly-
ing saucers. Such falsifications might be made so that they might attend such a
convention or become official delegates thereto.
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received from
one
wpurportedly from afire which had continued
to burn for twelve
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I Office noted that_ had at one timeWm"!-zed for
the AtomicEnergy
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advised that there _
had been received through
the mail on April 21, 1949, an ash92 sample
with are-
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thatthe
fire had continued
to burn
twelve
after water had
hours first been
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applied. The original letter of transmittal was examined and
reflected that I
I object
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said he
attempted to locate at his ;--
but had been-unsuggessilll. He added that at L
the time had commented
that _had been employed
by
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residence
Commission. #was then requested
by letterto appear
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advised that he had
interviewed
at the time he
came the
to officesince -was absent
at the timee He said that he then learned i or the first time that
the fire
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from the case on aquestionnofjurisdiction and -Was advised that


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further action on his part should be
referred to the State Police __
. I&#39; authorities. - -e l- _.-_&#39;._+ -.ng. 1, . .-_;,&#39; p .
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of the analysis which had been made 0* the ash submitted, and which analysis
had been made by ,Chemical Laboratory, Room
8&#39;75,Hall;
CityThis report reflected that the ash contained3-iagnesimn,

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Aluminum, Iron, and Calciumin the form oi silicates, sulphur and carbonates.

-I-kn was interviewed at his place oi business,


VI--BU Rread S treet
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At time headvised that
he had received the sample of
ash from afriend, Wayne County,/Pennsy1-
Vania, through the mail. Hesaid that Lake
Ariel is about one mile
7 south
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of South Canaan, nearScranton, Pennsylvania. He stated that_
had
house burned about six months ago, that the fire had occurred at night
during e storm and that alarge object had struck the roof and ignited the
house which
had burned to the ground in
less than an hour.

He said that he had not been present during the fire but that
-
these details
had
of theash was
been
mrnished letter
by
forwardedanalysis.
for He
from
-at he
thewas
said that
timeasample
5 6
of thepersonal 7
d opinion that the ash might be apart of amilitary flare or a"flying saucer".
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ne pointed
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ne nas oeen advised
Ll
oy associates in the
engineering field that one of the characteristics of some types of flares
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is the fact that
mass of the ash
they burn
residue had
for aconsiderable
remained ignited
period. He
for aperiod
stated that
oi twelve
the
hours. In c
. .1; He also stated that he did not think there had been an explosion but that a
loud noise- had probably been caused by the vacuum created as the missile
or object struck the roof. He added that there remains aquarx ty of the
ash, amountingto one bushel, at premises atLake Ariel.

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adv sed that he had been


employed by
the Atomic
Energy Commission at Oak Ridge until 1943- He was entirely rational. He
discounted the
the basis of the
theory that
chemical analysis
aportion of ameteor
made by the City
had struck the house
Chemical Laboratory.
on M4
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&#39; that at the suggestion of the City ;, -
u - authorities, he hadwritten to and suggested
that anyfurther in- b
c quiries directed
be to the State
Police. _c.

The file of the Philadelphia. Office reflect that


the records

Q.1!
my
El»
ing* liketise
of Immigration

office reflect that


Naturalization Service

y letter The
11+,of
were negative

received files
thisL
194&#39;?
August
to an inquiry concern-

requested-of this office the identity of apowder or dust used to catch


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Inasmuch as there is no E&#39;g1at;&#39;g~ny
indicated within the Bureau&#39;s
"~JI i5diCtiO1&#39;1, there
no
is further investigation being conducted in this
matter. I~1o*-&#39;-rever,
the ash
residue obtained
from the
7 C
being" forwarded the
is to Bureau
Laboratory for
interest
any or study
the
Laboratory may desire to conduct relative to flares or in connection rrith _
the possibility of the presence of "flying saucers".

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