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Re Bureau Bulletin No. 1.2, dated July 30, 191.7,
6 Series 19b7, wherein information is set forth pertaining to
is flying discs.

There is enclosed with this letter anewspaper

fr; clipping from the "Norfolk Ledger-Dispatch", dated July 9, l9L7.
The.photograph appearing on this clipping is alleged to represent
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He informed that he was sitting on the front porch
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stone. The edges titan disc-like. Bill look
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to Fourteenth Hli&#39;cl&#39;t11 obetween
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of
. any sold the flying football shown here was followed li_r two iiiiii
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days, |1I |-son rr two which followed made
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9, 19b7, areport was received at the Los
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Redford and Magnolia Streets in North Hollywood, California, the contraption
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antenna. It was reported to have burst
into
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disc being held at
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Fire advised Agent at
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residence being located at 11858 Magnolia Boulevard, North Hollywood. A- _
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after which the object wastaken to the fire station. SA-
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Bureau and advised at approximately ll:30 PM, July 1947,
9, the off
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California, that a"flying disc had landed in or near Burbank and been
seen to burst into ame when
it landed. Fbrther, that ithad been the cause
of afire in some woods, this fire either in Burbank or possibly in the ci
rxv limits of Les Angeles, which Mk;
Hood could not be certain. The fire chief
. E, fl. at Burbank had called the resident agent at Burbank and told him he vould
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92 Office received calls from the newspapers requesting information. The newspapers
stating they had called the ArmirAir Force Intelligence who had stated "we are
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_Irv turned over to military authorities in
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